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they were complex narratives of being

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taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams

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the Air Force is trying to cover up with

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from my own point of view I'm going to

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be very disappointed if UFOs turn out to

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be nothing more than visitors from

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another planet because I think there

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could be something much more interesting

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respectful both towards each other and

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towards our guest uh now I'm really

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excited for this conversation I find the

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2004 Nimitz encounter one of the most

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compelling cases there is so without

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further Ado let's bring on my guest guys

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please welcome retired operations

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specialist Senior Chief Petty Officer

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Kevin how are you thank you very I'm

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doing awesome and I first out of the bag

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want to thank you um quite honestly for

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the opportunity to be here and speak

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with you today

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well I appreciate that but the the honor

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is all mine and my wife Kimberly would

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be here next to me but she's in the

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middle of grooming dogs right now well

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if you heard maybe the dogs barking

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because someone showed up with the dog

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well they're welcome to join at any

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so Kevin but I'd love to jump straight

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in and I think that the first question

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with two would be I'd be really

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appreciate it if you could kind of

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describe your role and responsibilities

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on board the Princeton during the 2004

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incident

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I had been uh operating in the same

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Waters in the world for about 18 and a

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half years on three different spy one

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radar ships and also three different

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aircraft carriers as a part of Admiral

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staffs

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and I was a very very senior uh training

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person in the role of air defense

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um taking aircraft off their aircraft

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carriers sitting in a defense formation

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it enter things that are hostile or

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unknown coming from uh some suspect uh

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source

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and it's called air intercept control

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this um I was a Top Gun graduate

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had hundreds of intercepts in my logbook

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and they need the thing that stopped me

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in my tracks this this was the very last

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time I was ever going to be underway

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let that sink in for a second wow yeah

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and I walked up into combat information

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center cic or combat like we like to

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call it

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and I I stopped and I was like I was

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looking at the radar I was on watch

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and because I also stood a watch

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position called anti-air Warfare

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coordinator

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where I was the guy that um coordinated

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all the sources of information and my

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job in that position was to deliver it

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to the front table so that people like

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the captain and the Tactical actions

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officer can make decisions whether to

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kill things or not

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or investigating further or not using

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aircraft

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or just assign them as an unknown and

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leave them peacefully alone so I was in

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that position when all of the sudden our

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ballistic missile defense team detected

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on spy radar objects descending from low

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earth orbit down to about 80 000 feet

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right off the coast of Catalina Island

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and they would sit there for a little

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while and then they would suddenly

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descend as a group down to 28 000 feet

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and then one by one they would Transit

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right through our operating area real

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slow 200 100 knots 28 000 feet

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but I was frantically searching for any

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type of documentation or any type of

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message that we had received explaining

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what these were because my suspicion at

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the time as was everyone else was in the

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strike group the name of strike group we

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had more than one spy one ship out there

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where we're all seeing them

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credible civilian reason and perhaps

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that's when senior Chef Pierre Yasser

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Renee became very concerned because we

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the USS Nimitz and operate in that same

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and I was Gravely in concerned about

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safety of flight

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cap our captain comes down to combat and

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I captain Smith and I said Hey sir you

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know everyone in the Strat group has

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um tracking and Reporting these objects

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over our data links back to the beach

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and literally no one knows what they are

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and I very very strongly recommend we

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intercept one

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and look at it with our eyeballs so we

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know because we don't and I happen to

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run into one of these things with our

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we're going to get in trouble brother I

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didn't say the word of course but that's

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what I was thinking yeah absolutely

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explained to me at the time and then

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leading up to that day November sorry go

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ahead no I was just going to quickly ask

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how long what sort of time period were

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you seeing these for before you you know

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it was four days it had elapsed in in

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during that four days we saw several

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groups of these things right they

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time and if you added them all up it was

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about 100 objects and to follow on to

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your excellent question

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these things were detected off San

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Clement or excuse me Catalina Island

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they would Transit one by one

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and they would all disappear in exactly

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the same latitude and longitude and

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altitude in the sky

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of Guadalupe island off the coast of

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they weren't you know going into the

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ocean or anything like that well I don't

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know because my my radar envelope didn't

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have the ability to because I would see

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above it right

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we you know I can't I'm only out and by

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the way I'm never gonna say or um

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discuss anything that's classified

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everything I'm about to tell you is can

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be found on Wikipedia and open sources

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sure no and let's just suffice it to say

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our Radars didn't have the ability to

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track them going into the water they

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just simply disappeared off radar at the

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same spot in the sky

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and we coordinating with sonar as well

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um during the Nimitz Tic Tac encounter

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it was not my own situation or awareness

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but I learned later that yes there was

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detections on Sonar

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yeah I didn't personally observe that

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yes did it feel did it feel like in any

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way that these objects were actually

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tracking you guys or do you think it's

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more just a coincidence that they were

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so close to Catalina being such a UFO

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hotspot and it has been for some time

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that's a very very good question

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in fact I have to be honest and I didn't

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vocalize this at the time because even

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now it sounds crazy as hell

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but I just had this overwhelming feeling

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these things were there for the whales

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all right yeah believe it or not because

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those Waters I loved watching the whales

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they would always Mike the gray whales

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they would migrate from

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that same spot in Catalina and guess

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where they go

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right off Guadalupe Island

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and so I kind of put two and two

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together and that's and not only that

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but the overwhelming um

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feeling that I had from these things and

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I have to say right now there was not a

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single moment when this was taking place

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when I ever felt these things were

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hostile

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right quite the opposite

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quite the opposite and this is important

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because I'm gonna I'm gonna reflect back

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on that word hostile after a little

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and what I've learned since about about

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the possibility of of hostilities and

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why the government might be so concerned

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after all as it turns out but anyway

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during this encounter I

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never felt directly threatened in any

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way shape and form in fact I felt the

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benevolence I couldn't describe and I

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that's really interesting

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that's that's quite powerful that's

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something you know if that stands out

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that says a lot do you think you know

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you mentioned the whales there but could

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there be anything else around that area

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that may attract phenomenal objects

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anything to do with the makeup of the

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sea floor or anything like that another

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another excellent question

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I have this um when this all happened

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and oh by the way some people as we now

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know are profoundly affected by these

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encounters and by the way they don't

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even have to be you don't actually have

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to touch one of these things it can

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happen from across the universe right

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but contact with this Tech Tac

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intelligence can affect people

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and for me I was profoundly affected by

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it and you know the story of me

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publishing the book in the Library of

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Congress and one thing led to another

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but I let it I ended up in the

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wilderness out here

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research in a family mining claim 100

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years old no knowing nothing about

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geology or mining but I was able to

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figure out that our mining claim was

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actually related to a piece of geology

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nor another Josephine ophiolite and it

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extends from Northern California to to

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Northern Washington and what it is it's

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it's a sea bottle from the Pacific

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spreading arcs and it's got mineral

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deposits laid down by hydrothermal vents

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right here probably eight to ten miles

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is is loaded with layered layers and

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layers and layers of sorted minerals

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because hydrothermal vents are Earth's

283
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original mineral sorters and that's how

284
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these things are found here I got some

285
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examples of the Rocks right here right

286
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behind me

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this is an ultramatic perioditic Rock

288
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this is a hundred is actually probably

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um billions of years old

290
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plus the 157 million years old it took

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to get here from

292
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the Pacific's brooding offices are very

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very old rock

294
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wow so when you ask about geology

295
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have long suspected that these objects

296
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are related to geology

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and and just today I read an article

298
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that just came out in msn.com

299
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they just made a discovery and not long

300
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ago that was just reported on they now

301
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know that and they've proved this in the

302
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laboratory

303
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a single photon

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can spawn life

305
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in other words in other words a single

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photon

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when it's it comes in contact with the

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lifeless I'm gonna I even gave it a term

309
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the lifeless Quantum womb of rocks

310
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when that Photon interacts with that

311
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Quantum it in this case it created

312
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a a purple uh bacteria and I forgot the

313
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name of it because you know I'm not a

314
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and and this is why and this is why I

315
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think they're interested in geology

316
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okay because I think in in given the

317
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fact that our planet is so damn rare and

318
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given the fact that our planet does have

319
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biological life on it then in

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extrapolating from that that Discovery

321
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it just stands the reason that there

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exists a certain types of rock on our

323
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blue planet that when it comes in

324
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contact with photons guess what happens

325
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it creates life right

326
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and and just maybe just maybe that is

327
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the true Mission Behind these things

328
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they have long been here mining

329
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certain types of rocks that they happen

330
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to need given maybe even a different

331
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physics they find

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different geologies that they find

333
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unhostable

334
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bodies in the universe maybe they are

335
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mining the minerals that is needed to

336
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spread life in other places in this

337
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universe

338
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and and

339
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they are they are

340
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um motivated by an intent that you

341
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cannot believe and this is this is my

342
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concern now and I've just realized this

343
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maybe that is why our the governments

344
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around the world are so damn concerned

345
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because they know

346
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they know their intent is so strong that

347
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unfortunately

348
00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:24,899
some of these things will do anything to

349
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get at these minerals

350
00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:30,060
and but there's also another Force out

351
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there that's entirely benevolent

352
00:14:39,949 --> 00:14:36,600
just like as I witnessed in 2004.

353
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and there's a battle going on if you

354
00:14:46,250 --> 00:14:44,100
will sure and humanity is actually we

355
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actually have an ally in space I know

356
00:14:50,269 --> 00:14:48,240
this is hard to get your head around

357
00:14:52,250 --> 00:14:50,279
but I have to be honest and the reason

358
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why I can be honest any

359
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I don't have a career to protect sure I

360
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haven't accepted money

361
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I have no strings attached yeah I don't

362
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owe anybody anything absolutely so I can

363
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speak the truth

364
00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:07,680
that's all we want to hear I can use my

365
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own brain to think

366
00:15:14,810 --> 00:15:12,839
without strings attached 100.00 and I

367
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think they're powerful absolutely

368
00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:17,040
they're viable they make a hell of a lot

369
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of sense don't you think 100 agree they

370
00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:22,920
are such viable thoughts and they do the

371
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way you lay it all out makes makes sense

372
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I find it fascinating so I appreciate it

373
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and this has been a journey man yeah I

374
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:32,760
didn't know that all this or even

375
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suspected

376
00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:36,839
yeah but yeah you know you highly

377
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appreciated and I'm sure you know though

378
00:15:44,590 --> 00:15:42,120
yeah I hope you do I didn't ask for this

379
00:15:48,050 --> 00:15:44,600
no one in this encounter asked for this

380
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absolutely but because I for whatever

381
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I

382
00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:03,300
higher now you know the reason for my

383
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motivation because here's my theory just

384
00:16:10,610 --> 00:16:08,279
like Colonel Corso said once

385
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he said

386
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:13,199
if there is a mouse and a paraphrase it

387
00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:14,639
because I can't remember the exact words

388
00:16:19,129 --> 00:16:16,920
if there is a mass encounter

389
00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:19,139
there is there are simply not enough

390
00:16:23,090 --> 00:16:21,240
psychotic drugs on this planet to keep

391
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up the sudden need

392
00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:25,920
and he's right because I personally

393
00:16:30,769 --> 00:16:28,560
found that contact with these things can

394
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,779
and does change people let me tell you

395
00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:33,120
man when when I ended up quitting my job

396
00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:35,880
in the dod because I was so damn

397
00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:37,800
frustrated no one would listen to me

398
00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:40,440
yeah all they heard was UFO

399
00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:42,540
and laughed at me

400
00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:45,300
I said damn it no way I went home

401
00:16:48,889 --> 00:16:46,920
published a book in the Library of

402
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:48,899
Congress fictionalize the whole damn

403
00:16:54,110 --> 00:16:51,120
thing just in case this thing was ever

404
00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:54,120
found out my book would be evidence that

405
00:16:59,629 --> 00:16:57,180
it really friggin happened

406
00:17:01,730 --> 00:16:59,639
believe it or not and it did happen it

407
00:17:03,530 --> 00:17:01,740
happened just that way

408
00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:03,540
absolutely can you just tell us a little

409
00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:05,100
bit more about that book because you

410
00:17:08,090 --> 00:17:06,360
know I've heard the story but just for

411
00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:08,100
anyone that may not have done

412
00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:11,699
yeah um I quit my job out of frustration

413
00:17:17,329 --> 00:17:14,459
um after in my last straw was I was on

414
00:17:19,370 --> 00:17:17,339
an ex a training Expedition with my then

415
00:17:21,409 --> 00:17:19,380
current company in Boston I won't say

416
00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:21,419
their names and stuff okay

417
00:17:25,370 --> 00:17:23,160
because I don't have permission and

418
00:17:28,010 --> 00:17:25,380
maybe not the honorable thing to do if I

419
00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:28,020
ever have I apologize but anyway I I

420
00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:29,700
quit

421
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,780
um it was um the summer of 09 I went

422
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,280
back to Phoenix I was living there then

423
00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:37,440
and I said I know what I'm gonna do I'm

424
00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:39,480
gonna I'm gonna write a short story

425
00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:43,140
about what happened in the Tic Tac event

426
00:17:47,450 --> 00:17:45,480
and I'm going to name all the ships I'm

427
00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:47,460
gonna name all what what describe what

428
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:49,740
happened and I'm gonna name the you know

429
00:17:54,890 --> 00:17:52,080
everything about it except for

430
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:54,900
the actual date and the actual names of

431
00:18:00,169 --> 00:17:58,080
people involved sure yeah and for two

432
00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:00,179
reasons I didn't have permission from

433
00:18:07,730 --> 00:18:04,220
them and also I knew I might go to jail

434
00:18:10,370 --> 00:18:07,740
and it's that simple so what I did

435
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,380
I not only did it help me do something

436
00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:12,480
positive with what I was feeling at the

437
00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,100
time

438
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:16,740
but I knew that if

439
00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:19,919
my book that if this everything this

440
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,480
thing ever did come to life my book

441
00:18:24,529 --> 00:18:22,799
would be evidence

442
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:24,539
and you know what Denny that's exactly

443
00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:25,760
what happened

444
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:28,200
after coming out of the will the

445
00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:29,760
Wilderness here in Cave Junction Oregon

446
00:18:34,010 --> 00:18:32,340
up in the calmiopsis wilderness and

447
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:34,020
Publishing my research

448
00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:36,000
I rolled off the mountains because

449
00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:37,860
winter took me off the mountain I ended

450
00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:40,740
up at my first home here and I had three

451
00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:42,360
times so I was volunteering at the local

452
00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:44,220
golf course and I had just reopened the

453
00:18:47,450 --> 00:18:45,960
kitchen

454
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:47,460
carrying out a plate of fish and chips

455
00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:48,960
if I remember correctly and we were

456
00:18:52,490 --> 00:18:50,460
watching the golf tournament of course

457
00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:52,500
and all of a sudden Here Comes breaking

458
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:53,940
CNN News

459
00:19:01,490 --> 00:18:57,840
and oh my God guess what I saw

460
00:19:03,169 --> 00:19:01,500
I saw the same MPEG video of the Nimitz

461
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:03,179
Tic Tac encounter that went with the

462
00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:06,480
object going off to the left real quick

463
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,000
that I had in my secret email account

464
00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:11,280
the morning after

465
00:19:16,190 --> 00:19:13,620
Commander framers intercept

466
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,200
the that was the the video from their

467
00:19:21,289 --> 00:19:18,480
gun cameras

468
00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:21,299
can you imagine my my shock

469
00:19:25,549 --> 00:19:24,120
so many years later yeah I dropped the

470
00:19:27,529 --> 00:19:25,559
plate of food

471
00:19:29,810 --> 00:19:27,539
and y'all I'll be back later I'll

472
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:29,820
explain and got home as safely as I

473
00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:31,980
could because you know what I knew in

474
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,679
that moment my life was about to

475
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:37,200
freaking change I bet yeah because I

476
00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:38,520
knew where evidence I knew where

477
00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:40,140
evidence was hidden that it really

478
00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:41,340
happened

479
00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:45,480
I I didn't in that story I didn't um try

480
00:19:50,270 --> 00:19:48,299
to say what it was I just said yes it

481
00:19:52,450 --> 00:19:50,280
happened and this is this is the

482
00:19:55,010 --> 00:19:52,460
description of it

483
00:19:59,390 --> 00:19:55,020
and and a lot of things I said in that

484
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,400
book um have been proven true yeah

485
00:20:03,049 --> 00:20:01,440
it's amazing I mean you mentioned that

486
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:03,059
that's incredible it really is

487
00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:06,720
incredible what a story you know it's I

488
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,220
was gonna say you couldn't write it but

489
00:20:13,549 --> 00:20:11,280
you actually did so yeah it's incredible

490
00:20:14,930 --> 00:20:13,559
it really is I mean you mentioned you

491
00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:14,940
mentioned there that you saw this this

492
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:17,460
gun camera video you know on the CNN and

493
00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:19,260
when you had seen it originally back in

494
00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:22,740
2004 do you recall it being a higher

495
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,900
quality or longer in any way or was it

496
00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:26,640
literally exactly the same quality and

497
00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:29,580
time length it was a the one I received

498
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,160
in 2004 my secret email inbox was

499
00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:34,860
exactly the same right the impact video

500
00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:37,620
that we see today no changes or in time

501
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,720
length or quality that's interesting

502
00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:41,520
there have been rumors you see over the

503
00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:43,320
last few years that you know there was

504
00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:45,000
more footage or that it was a little bit

505
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:47,400
higher definition well there there could

506
00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:50,880
in fact be because maybe what what was

507
00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:53,100
um delivered back in 2000 were just a

508
00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:55,380
snippet from something longer sure and I

509
00:21:01,010 --> 00:20:57,539
just don't know so it is it is possible

510
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,020
because normally normally it is a valid

511
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,640
question because normally a gun and

512
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:05,039
camera is going to get turned on from

513
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:07,140
the moment an Eric who takes the

514
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:09,000
intercept order right all the way

515
00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:11,100
through the intercept because I use that

516
00:21:15,230 --> 00:21:12,900
for a number of reasons one is um

517
00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:15,240
justification in the end for you know

518
00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:17,580
the reacting in the way they do it and

519
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,559
also you know Lessons Learned you know

520
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,080
how to improve um what they do next time

521
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:23,760
I mean there's reasons why they do that

522
00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:27,299
yeah but that makes sense yeah yep

523
00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:29,220
Andrea as well during while you were in

524
00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:30,780
the radar room just going back to kind

525
00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:32,940
of the you know you seeing these objects

526
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,400
after you after a few days was there any

527
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,679
like attempts to make communication

528
00:21:40,570 --> 00:21:39,360
establish communication with these

529
00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:40,580
objects

530
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:43,620
not to my knowledge right

531
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:47,760
I I personally didn't do it now there in

532
00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:49,380
whether or not there were certain cells

533
00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:51,059
onboard the ships

534
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,860
um with TS clearances and that kind of

535
00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:54,480
thing that

536
00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:56,340
I have to say it's possible but I I

537
00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:58,260
highly highly highly highly doubt it

538
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,380
right okay yep and at the same time

539
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,840
would there have been any Crews on board

540
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:06,000
trying to get eyes on you know with big

541
00:22:10,850 --> 00:22:07,980
eyes or anything like that you try and

542
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:10,860
actually capture visual definitely in

543
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:12,179
fact I myself

544
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:14,580
um would go up on my off time

545
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:17,580
um during this this time period of time

546
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:19,559
and I would find the closest one on

547
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,000
radar and I would run up to the bridge

548
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:23,280
and get on the big eyes and and look at

549
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:24,000
it

550
00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:25,980
but unfortunately for me every time I

551
00:22:29,049 --> 00:22:27,299
looked at it was just a boring white

552
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:29,059
light going real slow in the sky but

553
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:31,620
some of my um

554
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:33,480
my Shipmates up on the bridge that stood

555
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,820
watch it there all the time did in fact

556
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:37,679
um state that they did in fact see these

557
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,260
things do some amazing Maneuvers well I

558
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:42,240
I personally didn't see them that's

559
00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:43,860
interesting still that you know people

560
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,539
did see these Maneuvers because you

561
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:47,280
mentioned there the speed because these

562
00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:50,220
objects were going unusually slow

563
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:52,500
so you just talk talk on that for a

564
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,059
minute

565
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,159
and that that's another thing that stood

566
00:23:00,649 --> 00:22:58,080
out is um

567
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:00,659
out of all the um things in the sky that

568
00:23:06,289 --> 00:23:03,059
I've absorbed on radar and have

569
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,299
intercepted I know from experience and

570
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:08,159
also just from

571
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:11,400
um my knowledge about it is things at 28

572
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:18,110
I think it's strange it's not physically

573
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,280
possible is it

574
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,520
Maybe I'm Wrong unless I'm in a glider

575
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:25,620
can't I mean the glider can't go that

576
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,539
high in altitude can it I mean you know

577
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,280
or a hot air balloon or maybe I don't

578
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:31,799
know I'm not sure hot air balloon I

579
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,260
don't know it's gonna go that slow

580
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,020
but yeah it most certainly isn't gonna

581
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:38,640
hot air balloon most certainly isn't

582
00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:40,980
going to react the way that the Tic Tap

583
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,980
object did after when being intercepted

584
00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:45,900
yeah and these things you know these

585
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,940
were 80 000 feet as well and that's

586
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:49,919
that's not not going to be a regular

587
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:51,480
balloon or glider

588
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:54,780
but I want to follow up on that question

589
00:24:00,850 --> 00:23:57,299
you had about Communications

590
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:00,860
I had long wondered how and why

591
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:02,520
post-intercept

592
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:04,740
um after Commander fraver

593
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:07,020
had intercepted the Tic Tac object down

594
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:09,419
at 80 feet and they they did they did

595
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:11,640
error combat maneuvering dog fighting if

596
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:13,140
you will this thing turned on you should

597
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:14,940
have heard him on the radio oh my God oh

598
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:17,460
my God I'm against and we're all like

599
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:21,120
what uh yeah right after that happened

600
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:24,120
bam and these are these are his words

601
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,980
that thing that he had intercepted

602
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:27,960
disappeared right in front of him right

603
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:29,640
in front of the air crew those are his

604
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:31,380
words yeah and guess what happened

605
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:34,140
didn't he that thing

606
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:38,400
went to his air cruises signed combat

607
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:41,100
Air Patrol station because a combat air

608
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:42,600
defense like let's say this is the

609
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,280
aircraft carrier

610
00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:46,140
we're suspecting the threat from this

611
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:47,940
direction we're going to set up points

612
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:49,380
in the sky and be ready to defend

613
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,380
ourselves yeah and each each plane has a

614
00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:53,520
separate lat

615
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:56,039
in long and maybe even a a separate

616
00:25:02,930 --> 00:24:59,400
altitude to sign the object that his air

617
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,940
career intercepted went exactly to their

618
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,559
cap station

619
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:06,960
and that's quite a distance exactly on

620
00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:09,299
the latitude and exactly at the assigned

621
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:11,100
altitude

622
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:12,659
wow and I won't tell you what that

623
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:15,419
altitude was because yeah no problem and

624
00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:17,940
we're talking 60 miles am I right

625
00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:20,280
yeah it was 60 miles and about it was

626
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,890
the one that I saw

627
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,820
um because what happened after the

628
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:32,640
Nimitz Tic Tac encounter it was my job

629
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:33,600
to

630
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,299
um be the guy that drafted the initial

631
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,640
messages and then I would and then the

632
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,080
team would chop them up to the chain of

633
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,520
command through the captain so I roll up

634
00:25:45,649 --> 00:25:43,080
to combat I was going to do an after

635
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,659
action report and what had just happened

636
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:47,279
and normally I'm gonna I'm gonna check

637
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,380
out the data from the from Computer

638
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:51,360
Central and put everything together so I

639
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,340
can make a detailed report

640
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:55,260
well guess what I was getting ready to

641
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,960
do that and uh the lead petty officer

642
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:59,760
from data central comes up and says uh

643
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,380
see your teeth I got something to tell

644
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,360
you you're not going to believe

645
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:05,700
and I said what's going on

646
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:08,460
he said during the night a helicopter

647
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,919
arrived on the ship and they took all of

648
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:12,600
our data

649
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:15,659
and they even had us erase all the blank

650
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:17,460
tapes

651
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:20,460
the blank ones too down in Computer

652
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,659
Central

653
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:23,220
and therefore I couldn't write a message

654
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,520
I I at that point knew that

655
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:28,320
um I was barking up the wrong tree

656
00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:30,179
perhaps and I gave up the idea right

657
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:32,059
that report

658
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:35,580
so Amy included with with that I've

659
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,740
included the radar data as well then oh

660
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:40,159
yeah all of it yeah wow okay so that's

661
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:43,140
somewhere and probably even the sonar

662
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:46,200
data ah okay I'm guessing on that one

663
00:26:51,169 --> 00:26:48,539
because I I it wasn't my situation

664
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,179
awareness at the time sure sure and yes

665
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:53,279
and yes and yes I have to believe that

666
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:56,279
the data exist yes yeah you'd have

667
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,380
thought so that you know well why else

668
00:27:02,690 --> 00:26:59,760
would they take the time and effort to

669
00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:02,700
get it yeah it doesn't make sense and

670
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:03,779
here's the reason

671
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,419
um well we've already discussed it um

672
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:08,880
about the potential for these things

673
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:10,380
being hostile

674
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,840
in certain cases

675
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,840
it just like it does that surprise you

676
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:17,760
um does that sound familiar

677
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:19,799
that some other thing would need

678
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:22,260
resources does that doesn't that sound

679
00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:25,559
familiar yeah I mean Humanity right yeah

680
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:28,440
exactly yeah haven't haven't we fought

681
00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:30,779
Wars here on our blue planet for the

682
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,380
same damn reason too many question mark

683
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,779
yeah so does it stand the reason that

684
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,460
that might be happening in the universe

685
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:41,279
too given the case

686
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:44,279
that what we're talking about is even

687
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,480
true

688
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:48,059
yeah

689
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:49,799
that's thinking about

690
00:27:54,169 --> 00:27:52,440
yeah and I also think a missing key to

691
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:54,179
all this and by the way what I'm about

692
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:55,320
to tell you

693
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:58,020
I am in direct communication for some of

694
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:00,299
the top Minds on our planet top you know

695
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,820
top Quantum physicists and I had bounced

696
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,799
a question off all of them

697
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:07,200
and some of them kind of agree with

698
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,299
where I'm going on this question and

699
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,799
this question is this

700
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:12,659
we all kind of

701
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:14,820
agree with the notion of the Big Bang am

702
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:17,940
I wrong of course but I have a question

703
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:20,820
was the Big Bang intentional

704
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:23,940
or unintentional

705
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:25,980
okay that's that's a that's a quick

706
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,440
question yeah right question mark and we

707
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:30,480
don't know therefore

708
00:28:36,769 --> 00:28:34,380
I think we have to assign 50 50 odds yep

709
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:36,779
stop me stop me now if I'm wrong no you

710
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:39,840
know okay and therefore because

711
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:43,440
a 50 chance apparently exists

712
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:47,700
that the Big Bang was intentional

713
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:50,340
just what might an intended Universe

714
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:53,460
look like question mark

715
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:54,779
um

716
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,559
and and this is even more important

717
00:29:02,029 --> 00:29:00,840
with the thing that caused the Big Bang

718
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:02,039
intention

719
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:05,640
choose to continue to survive after the

720
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,900
big bang

721
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,840
or would it choose to commit a cosmic

722
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:11,340
suicide

723
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,990
questions

724
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:20,279
I think it chose to survive given the

725
00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:23,340
case given the 50 chance

726
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,380
that I haven't driven to the ditch on

727
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:27,360
this one

728
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:31,140
I think it chose to survive and we we

729
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:34,260
know about fundamental forces in nature

730
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:36,779
right absolutely you can name them off

731
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:38,340
as well as I did

732
00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:40,679
is that can or anyone can right it's

733
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,590
maybe just perhaps maybe there's

734
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,760
actually a fifth

735
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:52,860
fundamental force in nature called

736
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:58,130
question mark

737
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:01,260
and because I think that's probably true

738
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:04,440
I have taken the Liberty to name

739
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:07,320
that physics intention and the force

740
00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:10,799
carriers of intention and tentatons

741
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:13,380
just like gravitons and photons but

742
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:15,240
intentatons

743
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:18,299
and I have chosen to name the physical

744
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:20,940
objects UAP if you will

745
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:23,340
that are engineered from this school of

746
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,740
physics in tentatonix

747
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,120
okay

748
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:30,600
UAP are intentatonic objects

749
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:33,299
based on a type of physics we did not

750
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:40,070
do you think these objects are actually

751
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:41,460
piloted or do you think they are

752
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:42,980
controlled by something

753
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:49,610
I don't know

754
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:54,899
yeah it might be a type of life that

755
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,039
we're not

756
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,799
even privy to yet

757
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:01,679
I mean life exists in lots of different

758
00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:04,740
forms so

759
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:06,539
did you notice any physiological or

760
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,279
psychological effects experienced by

761
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,799
other crew members during these these

762
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:12,840
four days

763
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,200
uh not that I observed nope and I myself

764
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,080
didn't have any nope that's yeah

765
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:20,880
interesting in fact there was a there

766
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:23,880
was a long long long time

767
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:26,700
um and here's and here's my fear

768
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,740
is when I ended up in the wilderness

769
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,240
everyone around me thought I had gone

770
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,399
crazy

771
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:34,559
all of a sudden I was a top trainer that

772
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:37,320
went from being a top trainer in the U.S

773
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:39,659
Navy and then the defense department

774
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:42,299
to do and what me doing what in the

775
00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:44,460
wilderness what the hell are you doing

776
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:46,679
in the wilderness is he losing his

777
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,860
brains his mind everyone my former

778
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,020
colleagues my own family my friends

779
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,760
everyone

780
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:55,440
and that's my fear with this thing

781
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,520
because

782
00:32:03,590 --> 00:31:59,760
I have a question just what if

783
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:03,600
there was a global contact event

784
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:07,039
and literally everybody on the planet

785
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:10,919
started to change like I did

786
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:14,220
and nobody on the planet knew why or how

787
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,820
right question mark that might not end

788
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:18,960
so well

789
00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:22,140
just like I don't think it ended well in

790
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,059
Antiquity when this was attempted before

791
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,640
on this blue planet

792
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:29,039
I think this has been

793
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,820
Humanity's been contacted before and for

794
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,740
whatever reason it didn't go well in

795
00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:37,200
some cases and that explains a lot of

796
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,659
the disasters that are recorded in

797
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:40,799
history

798
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,500
yeah absolutely possible of course

799
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,559
because it was too much too soon and

800
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,960
that is why I think these things largely

801
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:50,880
leave us alone

802
00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:54,059
because they know contact changes us and

803
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:56,580
they don't want it to end badly for us

804
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:58,140
again

805
00:33:02,330 --> 00:32:59,940
yeah and we might not be ready

806
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,340
right so but the question comes up Okay

807
00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:04,740
Kevin why now then

808
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:06,659
well that's a damn good question I don't

809
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:07,620
know

810
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:12,840
because it certainly appears to be

811
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,460
happening doesn't it

812
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,220
we have um governments all over this

813
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:19,860
blue planet of ours now holding hearings

814
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:23,580
about these damn things and I am in

815
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,940
personal contact with people that have

816
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:28,320
um then in front of the Senate

817
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:29,460
committees

818
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:31,080
I won't say their name but I don't have

819
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,919
permission

820
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,289
is that something that you what's

821
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,159
happening would you do that would you

822
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,840
appear in front of these committees I

823
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,039
mean I'm surprised you've not been

824
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,960
subpoenaed or called before

825
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,880
well think of it though

826
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:47,279
um there's there's two types of um

827
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,840
individuals involved in this thing

828
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:50,399
you've got whistleblowers and you've got

829
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:52,140
witnesses

830
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:55,380
I am only a witness sure if if I was

831
00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:57,059
making the decisions in our government

832
00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:58,919
in the Congress I would do what's

833
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:00,659
exactly being done I would call up the

834
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,870
yeah and because they only have so much

835
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:07,440
time and money and they have to make

836
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,020
decisions and choose priorities and I

837
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:12,240
100 percent support what they're doing

838
00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:16,139
yeah and I also have told my attorney if

839
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:19,020
they need me I will go good uh

840
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,700
I think it'd be valuable if you were

841
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:22,320
cold absolutely

842
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,040
well let me tell you this

843
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:27,839
I will have some of those members in

844
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:33,710
yeah

845
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:37,820
because what I have to say is powerful

846
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:40,740
and I think it's right

847
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:43,800
I thought long and hard about this and

848
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:45,899
and people ask me all the time how how

849
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:48,060
come you well from time to time I'm

850
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:49,379
asked how come you haven't tried to

851
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,540
monetize this thing Kevin

852
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,460
and I never will I never have and I

853
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,720
never will

854
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:56,879
and there's reasons for that

855
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:00,000
there's reasons for that number one I

856
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:02,520
can speak freely yeah

857
00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:06,119
I don't have a career to defend

858
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:07,980
unlike some of the members of Congress

859
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:10,380
you've seen some of their comments about

860
00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:12,540
the recent officer Rush that came out

861
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,820
yeah

862
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,960
they're couching a lot of their comments

863
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:17,160
and they have to because there's

864
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,740
elections coming up absolutely you know

865
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:22,160
what I mean it makes sense you know

866
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:24,839
they're protecting their own voters if

867
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:26,700
you will right yeah but I don't have

868
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:30,060
that and also at some point in this I

869
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:32,099
want to be able to walk away

870
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,780
and leave this whole thing in better

871
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:35,520
capable hands

872
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,220
without any strings attached of course

873
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:40,560
yeah Financial or otherwise

874
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:43,560
and and plus in addition to those

875
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,700
reasons

876
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:46,859
for me it's not honorable

877
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,880
okay Integrity yes yeah

878
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:52,560
totally understand I believe in three

879
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:54,839
things Vinnie

880
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:02,210
three very good things to believe in

881
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,859
call me naive and what a Boy Scout if

882
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:06,960
you want

883
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,079
but that's what I believe

884
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,660
I respect that I I respect that an awful

885
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,160
lot and you mentioned there the

886
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,079
whistleblowers and David grush and I'd

887
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,420
love we are I do plan on getting into

888
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,160
that just had a couple more questions

889
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,380
with regards to the actual you know the

890
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:24,240
incident and more about kind of the

891
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:26,040
higher ups and the authorities you know

892
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,960
where you debriefed or anything or was

893
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,040
it kind of just

894
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:31,680
pushed aside and forgotten about

895
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:35,339
during the Tic Tac encounter yeah

896
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:36,540
um

897
00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:37,740
no

898
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:41,579
um in fact let me tell you a little

899
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:44,460
story of how the Tic Tac term came into

900
00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:46,380
being was

901
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,339
um

902
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:49,680
after all of our exercise training

903
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,380
exercises in actual real world

904
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,000
um deployments we would get together as

905
00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:56,940
a strat group and the different Warfare

906
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,619
areas we do their own things but in our

907
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:00,320
case with every defense we get together

908
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,420
and I I approached Commander framer and

909
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,820
I asked Hey sir uh what did that object

910
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:06,960
look like

911
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:09,060
and you said Senior Chief believe it or

912
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,820
not they look like a giant white Tic Tac

913
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:13,260
candy

914
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,500
with no doors no windows no nothing

915
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:19,200
and that's where that word Tic Tac first

916
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:21,180
I first heard the word Tic Tac and

917
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,099
that's why I wrote it in my book called

918
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,619
my short story called the cedar I named

919
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:28,079
my short story The Seer right and by the

920
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:29,640
way I published a bunch of other short

921
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,370
yeah so the Intel guys wouldn't catch on

922
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:38,880
to what I was trying to do which

923
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:44,690
I can give you my library control number

924
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,500
and everything you know it's in it's in

925
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,660
the Library of Congress so

926
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,079
yeah and I had I got a Anonymous phone

927
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:54,060
call it was very strange you said Kevin

928
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,800
I can't tell you who I am but I have to

929
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:57,839
tell you two things he said I was like

930
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:00,420
what's that he said your decision to

931
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,540
publish your book in the and I named the

932
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,640
book sailor's anthology

933
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,680
he said your decision to publish the

934
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:09,180
book in the Library of Congress was

935
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:12,540
smart but your decision to act to

936
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,720
fictionalize it to that I have to tell

937
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,079
you was brilliant

938
00:38:22,569 --> 00:38:21,119
excellent that's what he told me that's

939
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:22,579
really cool

940
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,400
I couldn't be prosecuted yeah I mean how

941
00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:28,380
can you get prosecuted for writing the

942
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,070
fictional story of course you can't

943
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:33,839
[Laughter]

944
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:37,440
that's brilliant oh I love that yeah I

945
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,829
how I was able to figure that out no

946
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:45,359
nine now you tell me I don't know I just

947
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,880
felt right at the time sure it just yep

948
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:49,619
followed your instincts I suppose I did

949
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,800
indeed I did in fact do that yes yeah I

950
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,300
mean and with everything we're talking

951
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,160
about here is during the workups leading

952
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:58,079
to deployment am I right

953
00:39:01,849 --> 00:39:00,119
correct so I mean after this happened

954
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:01,859
what was the cruise morale like going

955
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:05,160
into real world situations

956
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,060
well um as it turns out this was my very

957
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:11,820
last time underway on a ship ever in

958
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:15,119
uniform yep when the ship when the USS

959
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,220
Princeton pulled back in the port

960
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,920
I transferred off the ship just a few

961
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:21,960
days later and ended up at my last

962
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:23,460
command

963
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,240
Pacific over

964
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:30,359
over on the island and from I stayed

965
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,800
there a couple years and I retired that

966
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:33,720
that just happened to be my last time

967
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,599
ever on a ship in uniform

968
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:39,359
I went on other ships after I retired as

969
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:43,619
a civilian at work yeah but

970
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,579
um

971
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:46,560
so I'll answer your question is I don't

972
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:49,020
know how it affected morale and I also

973
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:51,300
don't know if others were affected in

974
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:52,500
the way I was

975
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:56,700
right I've long wondered that in

976
00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:59,820
um and I will never ever ever say

977
00:40:05,329 --> 00:40:01,800
anyone's name that was involved I don't

978
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:05,339
have permission it's it's their own call

979
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:07,800
yeah because that's a very very personal

980
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,280
decision I mean these they've got

981
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:12,720
families on the line they've got careers

982
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:14,339
on the line they've got everything on

983
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:15,540
the line

984
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:17,940
so if they ever do come out then I will

985
00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:20,040
give them hugs but if they never do then

986
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:21,900
I will give them hugs too yeah

987
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:24,599
understood I get it I understand I am

988
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:26,700
just I just happen to be in a unique

989
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:28,980
position where I don't have a lot of

990
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,800
concerns others do and it gives me the

991
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,560
freedom and power to speak my mind

992
00:40:38,650 --> 00:40:36,900
and if I ever do say something that's

993
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:38,660
out of school I want to get slapped down

994
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:41,220
please bring it on

995
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,380
and I will correct my behavior I will

996
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:45,420
correct my thoughts and I will learn

997
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,079
from it I hope yeah and I have to tell

998
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:50,640
you one thing that's I've learned from

999
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:52,140
this too

1000
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:53,579
is

1001
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:57,540
whole journey

1002
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:01,859
and even recently is I always try to

1003
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,780
when something that's stressful happens

1004
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:05,640
or a situation happens I wasn't

1005
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,900
expecting

1006
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,599
I always try to

1007
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,060
behave in that moment

1008
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:13,920
as if I was

1009
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:21,290
in the way I should have looking back on

1010
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:23,880
it from the future

1011
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:26,760
does that make sense I I reflect quickly

1012
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:30,960
okay how would if I react A or B how am

1013
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,760
I going to look at that for from the

1014
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:34,500
standpoint of the future which way would

1015
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,140
I have chosen with the knowledge of what

1016
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,359
turned out to be based on my decision

1017
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:40,800
right

1018
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:43,380
yeah so I always try to reflect on that

1019
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,069
it really has too in a real way yeah the

1020
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,480
simple thing you can do yep I mean don't

1021
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,520
get angry yeah don't get angry having a

1022
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,839
little voice hey don't

1023
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:00,480
don't get angry you know it tells me

1024
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:02,220
loud and clear that's good that you've

1025
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:03,780
got this you're gonna hate yourself

1026
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,119
later if you do yeah yeah exactly you've

1027
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,920
got this awareness before you act hurt

1028
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,599
like yeah I think that's really yeah

1029
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:11,880
it's important yeah cognitive

1030
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,320
suppressants

1031
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,800
the results of my behavior might have

1032
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:19,440
you know yeah absolutely I just want to

1033
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,940
take a second to everybody in the live

1034
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:22,800
chat just to everyone in the live chat

1035
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:23,940
like um

1036
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,980
if if I've missed any questions I

1037
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,020
apologize I just have to you know make

1038
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,000
sure that I respect my guest and and you

1039
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,160
know listen to everything they say but

1040
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:33,680
um

1041
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:36,900
I I appreciate your ramblings Kevin I

1042
00:42:41,089 --> 00:42:38,940
really do it's really really deep and

1043
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:41,099
Powerful so but I just wanted to extend

1044
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:42,480
to everyone in the live chat if you do

1045
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:44,099
have any questions pop them in capital

1046
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:46,260
letters because then I do see them a

1047
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,079
little bit better in my small chat I've

1048
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:50,880
got next to me I do want to take a quick

1049
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:52,920
second to thank Oliver Jenkin for the

1050
00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:55,020
five pound donation and he says bless

1051
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:57,240
you for your bravery I know how hard you

1052
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,680
have striven for the truth of your

1053
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,760
experience

1054
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,619
uh and then he goes on to say what was

1055
00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:03,839
it like for you when David Rush went

1056
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:06,300
public so so let's get into that

1057
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:10,260
I I stood up and applauded

1058
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:12,300
because I looked in that Man's eyes and

1059
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:14,520
looked in that man's face and heard

1060
00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:16,440
echoes of my own voice

1061
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:18,359
right

1062
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:20,280
and let me ask you a question about him

1063
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:26,210
he has everything to lose

1064
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:32,150
it's a fair point

1065
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:35,339
yeah and so why would he be lying

1066
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:38,819
especially given his credentials yeah my

1067
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:41,880
God come on yeah that guy has had

1068
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:44,520
multiple he has had multiple polygraph

1069
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:48,180
tests over his career he is a legitimate

1070
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,500
person

1071
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,599
and not only that the the folks that

1072
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,339
have befriended him and supported him

1073
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,520
they've got their own protection uh

1074
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:58,560
reputations to protect they know he's

1075
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,940
legit

1076
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:01,980
yeah or else they wouldn't be supporting

1077
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:03,420
him he would not have been in front of

1078
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:04,619
Congress

1079
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:09,680
the Senate of in fact I agree question

1080
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:13,040
yeah they're not that stupid no yeah

1081
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:16,380
senators are not stupid people trust me

1082
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,900
it doesn't make sense to me I know he

1083
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:20,700
hasn't provided the evidence to the

1084
00:44:25,069 --> 00:44:23,099
public he can't it's it's classified but

1085
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:25,079
you're right in asking the question why

1086
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:27,060
would he go to this trouble to swear

1087
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,319
under oath

1088
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,440
uh you know with you know causing

1089
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,420
himself to be you know commit perjury

1090
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,640
and the repercussions of that it doesn't

1091
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:37,380
make sense and I actually spoke to

1092
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,380
somebody yesterday that whose friend was

1093
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,720
in Intel training with grush and and he

1094
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:44,880
supports him you know as his character

1095
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:47,180
and that so yeah it really is

1096
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:50,280
fascinating so yeah I just don't know

1097
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:51,720
what to make of it

1098
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:54,599
um I think it's a really a bold step

1099
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:57,780
forward and I think it's I hope it it

1100
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:04,430
yeah I think it's going to actually I

1101
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:05,880
think it's um

1102
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:07,619
as a matter of fact what I think is

1103
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:09,240
going to happen with this whole stigma

1104
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,140
thing

1105
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,079
is we're all familiar with stigma

1106
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,540
but at some point in the not too distant

1107
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,300
future that think stigma is going to get

1108
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,180
toned turned completely on its head

1109
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:23,520
at some point the next generation is

1110
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,359
going to be asking us

1111
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,440
what do you mean you didn't think there

1112
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,560
was life out there

1113
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:32,760
are you nuts

1114
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:34,500
it won't make any they won't even

1115
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:36,599
understand it yeah

1116
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,760
they won't understand it how it could

1117
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:40,319
have even been the case in the first arm

1118
00:45:43,329 --> 00:45:41,819
please

1119
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:43,339
that's what I think is going to happen

1120
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,020
stigma is going to bite the dust

1121
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,020
yeah I agree I completely agree I think

1122
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:50,760
that's what we're all striving for at

1123
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:52,380
the moment isn't it and it's happening I

1124
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:54,180
see it I see it

1125
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:56,040
starting to disappear I still come

1126
00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,480
across it here and there but I think

1127
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:59,099
we've made some serious steps in the

1128
00:46:01,609 --> 00:46:00,420
last few years

1129
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:01,619
me too

1130
00:46:05,710 --> 00:46:04,260
yep Amen to that and I'm not even

1131
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,720
religious

1132
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:07,859
well let's jump in I've got a couple of

1133
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,780
questions coming in here Kevin so let's

1134
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:12,119
jump to my class with says Kevin has

1135
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,040
your cognitive abilities been increasing

1136
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:16,319
and do you meditate

1137
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,240
absolutely yep I um for whatever reason

1138
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:24,720
and we play games with this what

1139
00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:27,180
um when I ended up in the wilderness my

1140
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,339
it was my cousin Jack that first noticed

1141
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:31,680
this he would say something random like

1142
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,060
marbles

1143
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:34,800
we're way out in the Wilderness at a

1144
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:37,380
mining camp and all all of a sudden

1145
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:39,240
somehow or some way a marble would make

1146
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:41,940
an appearance in her life so he

1147
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:45,000
he would he would think of weird stuff

1148
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,700
in I would think about it for a while

1149
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:49,440
and I know this is hard to get your head

1150
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,220
around

1151
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,980
and I could be crazy I admit that but it

1152
00:46:58,510 --> 00:46:54,720
was happening

1153
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,520
so to answer the question it's yes yep

1154
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:01,920
it comes in a form of being able to

1155
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,520
manifest stuff right

1156
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:07,680
and I think there's a reason I think

1157
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:10,380
there's a it's not magic and it's not

1158
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,339
woo

1159
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:13,680
I think there's a physics reason behind

1160
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:16,440
it just like there's gravity just like

1161
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:19,079
there's photons and in light just like

1162
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:20,180
there's

1163
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:26,640
an actual physics behind what I have

1164
00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:29,940
experienced yeah a real no [\h__\h] physics

1165
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,619
almost like a physics behind

1166
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:33,960
Consciousness something that's unknown

1167
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,140
to us at this time there definitely is a

1168
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,540
physics behind Consciousness yep that's

1169
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:41,579
interesting that's what I think it's

1170
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:42,839
great answers the question yeah

1171
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:45,780
absolutely I have become more

1172
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:49,560
wonderful thank you yep uh the next

1173
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:51,480
question comes from skate VFX he says

1174
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:53,579
Kevin seems happy how's life treating

1175
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:55,020
him generally

1176
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:56,700
awesome

1177
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,060
um I haven't been this happy in decades

1178
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:02,700
amazing so good to hear it

1179
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,099
I'm so damn blessed

1180
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:07,200
I can't even believe it

1181
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:14,450
I don't need to get paid you know why

1182
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:17,460
I've been repaid

1183
00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:21,540
the journey itself repaid me yeah in my

1184
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,339
ability to

1185
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:26,160
tell others what

1186
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:29,579
to help this world get prepared

1187
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:37,130
yeah there's not enough money printed on

1188
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:38,099
this planet

1189
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,859
for all of human history that is worth

1190
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:43,200
the journey that I had

1191
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,140
you couldn't buy it yeah it literally

1192
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,440
could not buy my journey

1193
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,880
and

1194
00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:52,079
that

1195
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,849
is payment enough for me

1196
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,319
that's amazing I haven't been this happy

1197
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,960
in decades that's so good to hear Kevin

1198
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,700
or this healthy

1199
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:11,280
brilliant you know what I've been um I

1200
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,380
do have the condition I've had two grand

1201
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,900
mal seizures and I do have a condition

1202
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:17,760
called petite Ball series and I'm on

1203
00:49:21,609 --> 00:49:20,040
medication right

1204
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:21,619
um but every time I go to the doctor

1205
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:25,560
they're kind of astonished by my labs

1206
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,540
um they've even said it like Kevin you

1207
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:30,480
have uh the labs of a much much younger

1208
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,040
man

1209
00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:34,440
and and I have to tell you Vinny and I'm

1210
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:36,540
pretty humble I literally have not

1211
00:49:46,210 --> 00:49:45,170
oh that's funny I haven't I won't prove

1212
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:46,220
it

1213
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,700
course we eat right here and I

1214
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,740
as you can see we live on a big property

1215
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,020
and I I'm outside working all day so

1216
00:50:02,030 --> 00:50:00,359
that's a big part of it and you have the

1217
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:02,040
love of a wonderful woman

1218
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:05,880
Amen to that yep Ah that's amazing scare

1219
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:08,819
me like you can't believe yep wonderful

1220
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:11,339
uh I've got a question here another gift

1221
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:13,020
from God another another of those

1222
00:50:17,089 --> 00:50:15,180
payments I was telling you about there

1223
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,099
you go there you go

1224
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,720
so we've got a question here from Roan

1225
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,640
uh you seem much wiser for the

1226
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:22,500
experience and the question is what

1227
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:24,180
would you most like to see acknowledged

1228
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:30,230
three things

1229
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:30,960
um

1230
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:32,819
and they've already done one of them the

1231
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,060
reality of that these things exist

1232
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:38,160
I would like to see a dedicated effort

1233
00:50:42,670 --> 00:50:40,740
for research that is now starting to

1234
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:42,680
happen and luckily has been happening

1235
00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:45,900
and for me the most important thing

1236
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,059
is we definitely need to start educating

1237
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,700
the reality in physics of these things

1238
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:55,980
in our Public School Systems all over

1239
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:01,849
and in that way that way

1240
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:03,420
that's how stigma is going to go away

1241
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:05,099
because here's what's going to happen

1242
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,619
and even now School teachers are seeing

1243
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:09,300
it when this subject comes up all of a

1244
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,680
sudden kids are putting down their cell

1245
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:12,420
phones and they're they're listening

1246
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,940
this really interests them and here's

1247
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:17,280
what will happen if this subject is

1248
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:20,280
suddenly being taught in school when

1249
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,619
Mommy picks up the kids from school and

1250
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:24,240
is taking them home and suddenly Sally

1251
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:26,460
says look Joey there's one of those

1252
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:27,960
things we learned about in Mrs Smith

1253
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:30,119
class

1254
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,780
is it any big deal then question mark

1255
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,460
what about when they get home and tell

1256
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:37,740
Daddy and others about it is it any big

1257
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:40,200
deal then question mark

1258
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:42,300
you tell me

1259
00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:45,180
my answer is no it's gone

1260
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,220
the next generation won't know stigma

1261
00:51:50,329 --> 00:51:49,319
like we did in fact they're gonna laugh

1262
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,339
at us

1263
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,559
yeah I hope they do

1264
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:55,079
yeah we will get laughed at

1265
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,500
yeah that's brilliant just like the

1266
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:00,059
Ancient Ancient people would probably

1267
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,240
laugh at us if they could

1268
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:05,400
so do you feel like at what stage will

1269
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,140
you walk away from this do you think do

1270
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,640
you think it is when the government does

1271
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,380
acknowledge something like is there is

1272
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,000
there something that you're just waiting

1273
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,119
to kind of to hear and then that's it

1274
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:17,460
when I see public education it's

1275
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:19,260
starting to happen right that's when I

1276
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:22,740
plan to walk and I'm currently I haven't

1277
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:24,599
worked on it uh most recently but I

1278
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:27,420
started my autobiography oh I've kind of

1279
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:30,180
got um I've kind of got the the outline

1280
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:32,940
of stuff pinned for it what I want to do

1281
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:35,880
and my target date is February this year

1282
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:39,000
or next year yeah uh can't wait and I've

1283
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:40,380
had a lot of people message me saying

1284
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:42,839
ask him about if he's writing a book

1285
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:46,020
yeah February 9th next year is my target

1286
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,460
date

1287
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:49,619
and I'm going to donate if if it if it

1288
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:51,900
even sells one copy I'm gonna donate all

1289
00:52:56,569 --> 00:52:54,599
the proceeds to either research or

1290
00:52:58,329 --> 00:52:56,579
um probably charity for kids

1291
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,339
it's amazing

1292
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,200
it's like Johnny Depp recently did I

1293
00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:03,540
don't need the money I don't want it I'm

1294
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:06,599
sure it'll sell very well I really do

1295
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:09,780
and that's really really amazing of you

1296
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,720
really is I've got a question from Ender

1297
00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:14,640
Williams do you look at your experience

1298
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,140
any differently because of the recent

1299
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:21,829
hell yeah

1300
00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:23,700
um I feel Vindicated

1301
00:53:26,819 --> 00:53:33,230
I feel Vindicated in

1302
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,790
wow yeah that must be some feeling

1303
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,010
you can't believe it

1304
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:42,359
I hope it continues and I hope that that

1305
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:44,220
Vindication continues as well you

1306
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:48,180
deserve it it's going to yep yeah it is

1307
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:49,800
going to

1308
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:52,680
okay well listen Kevin before we wrap

1309
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,020
this up I just wanted to kind of give

1310
00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:57,599
you the floor as it were if there's any

1311
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,359
any messages you want to give to to the

1312
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,480
people or anything you want to say

1313
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:05,280
there is one thing I wanted there is one

1314
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:07,260
thing I want to say

1315
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:10,980
um please know that if you yourself or

1316
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,559
someone close to you has an encounter

1317
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:16,079
with these objects whatever they are

1318
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,420
and you are they

1319
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:21,119
start to change suddenly out of the blue

1320
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:22,500
for example

1321
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:25,260
your cousin is a famous chef

1322
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:27,420
and all sudden she wants to start paint

1323
00:54:33,049 --> 00:54:30,119
playing piano and become a famous piano

1324
00:54:37,309 --> 00:54:34,910
there's a reason why that might be

1325
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,319
happening and she isn't necessarily

1326
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,640
insane

1327
00:54:43,069 --> 00:54:41,520
she was profoundly affected by her

1328
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:43,079
encounter

1329
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,720
and the reason is physics it's not magic

1330
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:48,960
and it's not Wu there is a physics

1331
00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:52,260
reason why she was changed and they are

1332
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:54,119
learning that when I say Bae I mean the

1333
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,260
researchers

1334
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,079
that for whatever reason not everyone is

1335
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,480
affected the same way that kind of makes

1336
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:02,760
sense to me too

1337
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:06,660
but in the case that you yourself become

1338
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:10,859
start starting to change like I did

1339
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:12,599
please understand there might be a

1340
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:14,040
reason you're not and you're probably

1341
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:15,540
not going crazy

1342
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,210
that's my message thank you so much I

1343
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:25,200
really appreciate it accept it and go

1344
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:26,940
with it yep accept it and go with it

1345
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:30,780
become that piano player

1346
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,700
yeah thank you so much Kevin it's been

1347
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,980
an absolute honor to speak with you uh I

1348
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:37,680
I really can't say that enough

1349
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:39,300
thank you for everything you've done for

1350
00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:40,680
this subject over the years for being

1351
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:42,540
brave enough to come forward and be an

1352
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,520
inspiration to a lot of people

1353
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:46,920
uh I know it certainly means a lot to us

1354
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:48,900
I've had the conversation many times

1355
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,540
with many people so thank you seriously

1356
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:53,760
thank you so much

1357
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,040
my the honor is mine

1358
00:56:00,890 --> 00:55:58,619
wonderful I hope to talk again before

1359
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:00,900
long we will indeed and to everyone live

1360
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,700
in the live chat here thank you so much

1361
00:56:08,089 --> 00:56:05,280
for being here I I can see that the chat

1362
00:56:10,930 --> 00:56:08,099
was really really Pleasant so thank you

1363
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:10,940
guys again and yeah I'm gonna be back

1364
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,800
next week go and follow me on all the

1365
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,180
social medias all the links are in the

1366
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,339
description below guys thank you so much

1367
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:19,800
and all please give a big thank you to

1368
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,780
Kevin for everything he's done until